Benjamin Rosenbaum

Comments on "What I Told Harlan Ellison"

Oh, Ben, thank you. As usual, you're wonderful and articulate in exactly the right ways.

Posted by Susan Groppi at August 31, 2006 06:01 PM

Ben, thank you. I was so angry at myself, after the fact, for not booing the man off the stage. I posted about what on Earth kept us all from that over on my blog. I wish that those of us in the audience had handled it differently.

Posted by Deanna Hoak at August 31, 2006 08:30 PM

One of the things good writers do is say the things that need to be said in the way they need to be said. This is a good piece of writing, Ben.

Posted by Greg van Eekhout at August 31, 2006 08:33 PM

Shine on, man.

Posted by Christopher at August 31, 2006 09:09 PM

Thanks, Ben.

Posted by SarahP at August 31, 2006 09:36 PM

Well stated and bravely done, Ben.

Posted by Paul Melko at August 31, 2006 09:44 PM

Oh, Ben. You are the bestest. Thank you.

Posted by elizabeth bear at August 31, 2006 11:47 PM

Well said, Ben. Thanks for speaking up.

Posted by Eugene at September 1, 2006 12:34 AM

But the current level of apology is not cutting it for me. Mind, I'm not worried about Connie. For one thing, Connie's no victim, and for another, that's between you and her.

No, I'm talking about the atmosphere in science fiction. We applauded a sexual assault at the Hugos, and now the web is full of folks saying "what's the big deal? get over it". I don't think I need to tell you that that is fucked up.

That's it. That is exactly what I was trying (and failing) to say. Thank you.

Posted by Anna Feruglio Dal Dan at September 1, 2006 04:35 AM

Well said. *loffs the ben*

Posted by chance at September 1, 2006 08:18 AM

Looks like your comment has been deleted.

Posted by ed at September 1, 2006 10:02 AM

Well said, Ben. You rawk.

Posted by Jason Erik Lundberg at September 1, 2006 10:04 AM

Ben: Yes. 1000 times yes.

Posted by Tempest at September 1, 2006 11:35 AM

Applause.

Posted by James Stevens-Arce at September 1, 2006 12:27 PM

My detailed response in my journal -- I have a somewhat more conflicted response, though essentially in agreement with Ben:

http://www.mamohanraj.com/journal/show-entry.php?Entry_ID=3335

Posted by Mary Anne Mohanraj at September 1, 2006 12:30 PM

You're a credit to the species, my friend. Eloquent, perfectly stated, and heart-felt. If Harlan had responded to you with 'You're right, Ben. Again, I'm sorry, and it won't happen again'. This could have all gone away.

Posted by Stephanie Dray at September 1, 2006 12:56 PM

Ben,

Nicely said.

I have a friend who has had a "bad touch" experience with an individual in the pantheon and I'm glad to see you taking a stand.

There is no excuse for this form of behavior.

I just hope Mr. Ellison steps up and offers a sincere apology to not only Connie Willis, but to the community he represents.

He may not like the fact that there are people that look up to him, but he has a responsibility around his public actions.

Thanks for standing in the breach on this one.

Posted by John A. Pitts at September 1, 2006 01:27 PM

thank you.

eloquent, and it gives me hope for the future.

Posted by netter at September 1, 2006 08:41 PM

Thanks, Ben.

Am I cowardly for saying I'm so glad I wasn't there?

Posted by Diane Turnshek at September 1, 2006 09:55 PM

Ed, my comment is still there, it's just gotten scrolled to the next page.

I'm sad about his response.

Posted by Benjamin Rosenbaum at September 1, 2006 10:27 PM

Diane--how would that be cowardly?

Posted by Em Tersoff at September 1, 2006 11:03 PM

Well, I was going to post the following on Ellison's forum, but it seems to be closed down. So I'll post it here:

As a fairly neutral observer of the discussion of Harlan's actions at the Hugos, I'd like to make a comment regarding the sentiment of "he's apologized so let it go."

I believe that apologies are not meant to be inoculation against criticism, but rather acceptance of it. To have it otherwise dilutes the value of apologies—they become a self-interested way of closing the issue.

Posted by Ethan at September 2, 2006 12:12 PM


Sadly, Harlan's subsequent response to complaints on his forum strongly supports the vengeful reading:

"...after playing straight man to Connie's very frequently demeaning public jackanapery toward me -- including treating me with considerable disrespect at the Grand Master Awards Weekend, where she put a chair down in front of her lectern as Master of Ceremonies, and made me sit there like a naughty child throughout her long "roast" of my life and career -- for more than 25 years, without once complaining, whaddays think, Mark, am I even a leetle bit entitled to think that Connie likes to play, and geez ain't it sad that as long as SHE sets the rules for play, and I'm the village idiot, she's cool ... but gawd forbid I change the rules and play MY way for a change ..."

Posted by BenBurgis at September 2, 2006 06:52 PM

Oh, what words of profound wisdom from a wizened rebel. Distant quasars gleam in his eyes, and the music of the cosmic background radiation reverberates in his voice.

Ah, science fiction... the literature of limitless vision, of minds unafraid to plunge into infinity -- and beyond! -- dedicated to the exploration of the unknown, to making contact with other civilizations in the universe, determined to join the galactic community of worlds, to break the very shackles of Time itself...

... and groping women's breasts.

Sometimes I get sick of being human. Sometimes I wish I was something other than a descendant of apes. Reading Ellison's reply is one of those moments.

Posted by A.R.Yngve at September 5, 2006 03:57 AM

Video of the grope:

video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4653991510586546104

Posted by at September 5, 2006 06:15 PM

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